Welcome to this thrilling episode of the Zombie Book Club, where today, we're not just surviving a zombie apocalypse from the comfort of our couches but also dissecting the South Korean sensation, #Alive. Directed by Cho Il-hyung and starring Yoo Ah-in and Park Shin-hye, this film takes us on a nerve-wracking ride with Oh Joon-woo, a gamer trapped in his apartment during a terrifying outbreak. With no one but his digital connections to keep him company, Joon-woo must navigate the dangers of isolation, fast-moving zombies, and the existential dread of a world turned upside down.
Join your hosts, Dan and Leah, as they explore the various elements that make #Alive a must-watch for zombie enthusiasts. From the acrobatic undead and gripping survival strategies to the poignant themes of connection and resilience, we cover it all. We'll also dive into the movie's adherence to various media representation tests like the Bechdel, DuVernay, Vito Russo, and Fries tests, discussing where it excels and where it could improve.
Today's episode is packed with analysis, humor, and some existential questioning—perfect for breakfast discussions or late-night musings. And remember, while subscribing might seem dumb when you're barricading against zombies, in our world, it's what keeps the conversations alive! So, tune in, and let's find out if Dan and Leah would trap people to feed each other in a true zombie love scenario.
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Welcome to this thrilling episode of the Zombie Book Club, where today, we're not just surviving a zombie apocalypse from the comfort of our couches but also dissecting the South Korean sensation, #Alive. Directed by Cho Il-hyung and starring Yoo Ah-in and Park Shin-hye, this film takes us on a nerve-wracking ride with Oh Joon-woo, a gamer trapped in his apartment during a terrifying outbreak. With no one but his digital connections to keep him company, Joon-woo must navigate the dangers of isolation, fast-moving zombies, and the existential dread of a world turned upside down.
Join your hosts, Dan and Leah, as they explore the various elements that make #Alive a must-watch for zombie enthusiasts. From the acrobatic undead and gripping survival strategies to the poignant themes of connection and resilience, we cover it all. We'll also dive into the movie's adherence to various media representation tests like the Bechdel, DuVernay, Vito Russo, and Fries tests, discussing where it excels and where it could improve.
Today's episode is packed with analysis, humor, and some existential questioning—perfect for breakfast discussions or late-night musings. And remember, while subscribing might seem dumb when you're barricading against zombies, in our world, it's what keeps the conversations alive! So, tune in, and let's find out if Dan and Leah would trap people to feed each other in a true zombie love scenario.
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Welcome to the Zombie Book Club, the only book club where the book is a movie and the movie is in an apartment and you're trapped inside until help comes, but all you have to drink is whiskey for weeks on end. And no, this is not a biopic about my life. I'm Dan, and when I'm not, shutting out the world and hiding inside of my home, allowing my mental health to steadily decline until I'm forced to leave and face the world with my one true love, I'm writing a book about how right I am to be paranoid of the outside world when psychotic, infectious cannibals tear down the world around us. Just because I'm paranoid and delusional doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry I was. I'm Leah and I was reading about the solar eclipse tomorrow and got slightly distracted because you've done so many takes of your intro, it was hard. The only thing getting me out of bed lately is getting to go out for breakfast and the requirement to go to work so that I can pay for said breakfast. And really good hugs from you, dan. Except for that, I can hug you in bed. So there's not a lot of reason to get out, and I think that maybe both of us are, uh, suffering a little little tiny bit from the depression.
Speaker 1:Maybe the seasonal depression.
Speaker 2:The seasonal dan going back to work yeah, in two days. That's true as of this recording I am going back to work in two days and, you know, I feel like it's an appropriate time for us to film this film. We're filming, we're filming.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no visual everyone's like wait, where can I get this footage? You don't want to see my mouth's?
Speaker 2:weird. Is this an only fan, oh god. Um, we're talking about the 2020 film hashtag alive, which I would argue. The main character seems a little depressed and the zombie apocalypse shakes him out of it. There are some common themes here that resonate with me, so do we need an apocalypse to get shaken out of our glums? Oh boy I think so. We release episodes every Sunday on all podcasting platforms. Every single one so many P's podcasting platforms. Every single one so many peas podcasting platform.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whichever one you like so subscribe, except for it says subscribe Subscribe. So Dan, we're professionals. For those of the listeners that have never seen a hashtag alive, I bet it's a lot. I'm going to literally just read from Wikipedia the first sentence of what this is about Because, folks, you may love this, you may hate this, but we've decided to try to be less prepared.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we are less prepared right now.
Speaker 2:Yes, and tired, so this should be good. Prepared right now, yes, and tired, so this should be good. Uh, wikipedia says hashtag alive and then it's got some korean characters is a 2020 south korean post-apocalyptic action horror film. Somehow the word zombie is not in the intro directed by cho il-hyung. Not entirely sure if I'm saying that. Right, starring you are in and another person. Uh, it is based on the 2019 script alone by matt nailer, which is another film. Have we seen alone?
Speaker 2:I don't know I don't think so. I'm gonna just click on this to be like what movie is this? Did this come from chat?
Speaker 1:gpt no, it came from wikipedia oh, it's a horror film, lies to us it's about a man who barricades himself inside his apartment during a zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 2:Wait, is this the French one that we watched?
Speaker 1:No, I don't think so, and that was like 2018.
Speaker 2:Wow, we just accidentally discovered an entire other movie we need to watch now.
Speaker 1:Let me look. I got to see this alone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you look that up. I'm going to continue chatting about the actual movie, but what's interesting is that there's two films which we I just learned, because that's how little preparation I did. I didn't even read the intro paragraph in detail.
Speaker 1:Oh, can I, can I just? Ok, let me say something. I think I've seen the trailer for Alone and I thought that Alone was Americanizing this movie, hasht, hashtag, alive and I was like, ah, very typical of the United States to take something that was famous in Korea and they did a great job and they're like we got to make it in New York. Now Is it set in New York too?
Speaker 2:I think it is.
Speaker 1:Has Tyler Posey, Summer Spiro and Donald Sutherland. Yeah, he's right there on the cover.
Speaker 2:Wow, I don't know who any of those people are. I don't know any actor names. This is our less prepared episode.
Speaker 1:We have no idea how did we even write this?
Speaker 2:I didn't. It says right up top Wikipedia colon.
Speaker 1:It does say that.
Speaker 2:Do we have to watch alone? Now we do. And now I'm like fuck, should we have watched alone before? We did this episode? Too late, Too late, Too late. We did it the wrong way. We'll have to watch alone another time. But basically the film revolves around a video game live streamer's struggle for survival as he's forced to stay alone in his apartment in Seoul during a zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 1:The main character is the person I'm referring to. That I think might have been a little bit depressed and wasn't leaving his house very often, or I could be projecting, yeah, I mean, I think he had a rich online social life, but he was probably not somebody that had an outside of his house social life. I resonate with this character immediately. A lot of people that found us, uh, through this podcast probably don't know, but I, between the years of 2013 to 2018, ish, um, that was, that was my job, I was, I was, I was streaming video games and were you depressed?
Speaker 2:yeah, and chorophobic? Yes, I'm just saying his room looked like he hadn't left in a while. That's what my room looked like, yeah, but it ends up saying, well, I can't ruin it, never mind, you can fill in the blank of what I might have been about to say, but anyways, it generally received positive reviews. It came out on netflix for us on september 8th 2020, 2020, 2020, 2020 so many 20s.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of 20s.
Speaker 2:That feels like a lifetime ago it does, and I and I was thinking like we were together in 2020, and I can't believe we didn't watch this until like a year ago.
Speaker 1:Yes, we got married in 2020.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right, this is unhinged and we're just going to keep rolling with it. There are a few main characters that we want to just like set the stage for. We're trying not to spoil things so much anymore, so we're gonna try and strike that balance.
Speaker 1:You might get a little bit of spoiler, but not the big things yeah, you know there's a lot of things in this movie that I don't think would surprise a whole lot of people, but it's something that's.
Speaker 2:It's just done really well yeah, it was enjoyable to watch. So the main character, the uh the game. Video game. Video game. Video boy game. Video Game. Video Game. Video boy Game. Video boy. Video game live streamer that's the correct term. Right For pay. Yeah, his name is oh Juno and I looked up pronunciations of these folks' names in advance because I have a little anglophile tongue and I know that I'm still not doing justice, so apologies for any Korean listeners.
Speaker 1:Is that what prawn means? In the notes I thought that said pronouns and I'm like different pronouns pronunciation.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm looking at. I made that. I did. That was the one thing I took the time to really do is be like am I gonna say these people's names? Oh, juno, that's not right I can hear. Whatever, we're trying our best. Oh, do you know? Um, he's the video gamer. Then we have a female tenant, uh kim yubin spoilers, who lives across from june, juno's or junwo's apartment building, um, and she frequently kills trespassing zombies using a hand axe and a booby trap door, which we'll talk a little bit more.
Speaker 1:She's my favorite character kind of forget a little bit about that door situation. But now that I think, oh, I can picture perfectly. I have it in my survival tips section yeah, see, we did, we did.
Speaker 2:We did prepare what I prepared, actually, and dan I don't remember what dan was doing I built this room right, and by room he means the table. We now have a real table. Still uncomfortable chairs, yeah, but we're getting somewhere in the zombie bunker podcast room.
Speaker 1:A little update on our table Table update Leah. We bought this table because we're like we need a table for the zombie bunker and I put the arms for our microphones on it, but the edges were beveled so immediately I'd go to adjust it and they'd pop right off and fall on the ground. Not great. So first thing I did with this brand new table is I took my angle grinder and just started sawing away at it.
Speaker 2:It's a cool little table. We got it from like uh, what are those places called liquidation? Yeah, liquidation place. Okay, we are all over the place we should just call this subtitle adhd couple podcast, the adhd pod yes um, there's a masked man who saves junwoo and yubin and then wants to do something to them that I feel like would be a ruiner. But I'll just say it doesn't go very well.
Speaker 1:Um, and then there's some other characters I don't think are worth talking about yeah, you know, I think that covers this thing for the most part, until we talk about more in-depth things yeah, because it's mostly about this guy alone.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, I really want to talk about zombie type for this one. Oh, yeah, and we watched this immediately after watching night of the living dead and the stark contrast of the makeup after like, minimal no makeup really, or if there was makeup, I couldn't tell in the original, and then, um, a little bit of makeup. That was pretty decent in 1990, but these, like I feel like korean zombies, have a particular um style of terrifying in their makeup. Yeah, like really wild hair and scary, scary eyes scary eyes.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, I I mentioned this in previous episodes where we talked about korean zombie movies. Uh, what was there? There was um the kingdom.
Speaker 2:Yep, um, then there was also terrifying reality tv show one zombie verse that one have we ever seen a korean uh zombie thing?
Speaker 1:that is not fast zombies I think they're all fast zombies and they have like wild abilities, like they're like acrobats well, what I said in those episodes is like I have a suspicion that there is a company that provides zombies for these types of movies and tv shows, because they all have this very like um standardized method of acting and like their acrobatics are choreographed very similarly. They're all like very like stumbly, like you know they'll. They'll run frantically and then like hit an object and like barrel over it and like tumble end over end and then get up and just start ransom frantically running again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all of the zombies are are like, um, what's the word? I'm looking for, not extras, they are stunt doubles, stunt stunt actors for sure.
Speaker 1:I wonder if there's just like a like a stunt company out there that like provides zombies for these shows or could just be a cultural norm of how they like to see their zombies.
Speaker 2:I'm now. I'm curious, like which? What zombie movie is the first korean zombie movie? We should watch that and see if it's still the same. But these what makes these ones different, I would say, is that they carry on the traits from their old jobs. Specifically, it seems to be those are the traits that they keep, or maybe hobbies, because there's one person zombie who can climb a rope which is terrifying he's a firefighter zombie yeah, firefighter. Zombie climbing up the side of a building.
Speaker 1:It wasn't even a rope, it was a string. It's true, it was a string, it's true. It was like I don't think a human being should be able to climb that thing.
Speaker 2:Well, Kim was a rock climber, so I think technically it would hold a human yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, this was what they sent across with the drone to get food across the gap.
Speaker 2:We're getting ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 1:They had a drone. There was a drone involved. They had a string.
Speaker 2:A drone and a string, a lunchbox that they travel back and forth between the two buildings to share stuff.
Speaker 1:It was cute. Like this string wasn't even like 550 cord width, like army paracord, like it was smaller than that. It was really small.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it's stronger cord than you might think, but I don't think this is the debate that our listeners want to hear. They came to hear about rope. I think it was a strong rope. I think it was a climbing rope, hence why he could climb it.
Speaker 1:I mean, it held a zombie up, it did. Yeah, no doubt it was just like I was impressed. That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:That zombie was impressive it was an impressive zombie. Dan made a bump in the night. So I um, I did do a little bit of prep, even though I don't know what we're gonna say about any of these things, but there were a few things that I wanted to talk about before we get into, like the, what we love, what we hated, you know, capitalist, misogynist, racist, yada yada.
Speaker 1:The living dead yeah, you know those things yeah, we'll get into that, we always do.
Speaker 2:But, um, one of the things that really stood out for me in this film is that, uh, I'm not gonna spoil how it ends, but I am going to say that the government actually seems functional, yeah, and does help and like in a meaningful way. And I'm trying to think of how many times I guess the australian movie that we watch what was that one called? Again cargo, cargo also seemed to at least have had some government support.
Speaker 2:But they all certainly crumbled, yeah, but in this case it looks like the government saves the day and I just thought, like do americans have ptsd or like intergenerational trauma around revolution? And we just don't trust our government for that reason I mean, why wouldn't we trust our government leah? I mean yeah, but but I'm saying it's like a long history of not trusting the government it's not.
Speaker 1:it's not like our government is deeply flawed or anything Not from the very beginning.
Speaker 2:It was perfect, Dan. Have you not read?
Speaker 1:the Constitution. It's always been perfect.
Speaker 2:It is perfect now. It's a perfect union.
Speaker 1:It's the founding fathers. It is a perfect union, they say it right in the Constitution.
Speaker 2:They do give it a qualifier more perfect.
Speaker 1:It is more perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Than perfect America. Oh, I got it. So like, yeah, there is a kind of like I don't know if it's a trust of the government, but like they, they definitely like they do something, they show up to help this is why we need to watch the american one alone, because I want to see if the government helps that guy or if it crumbles, because that will say a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know to, to, to kind of go off of this, this thing they don't specifically like tell us what's going on with the rest of the world, because it's very, a very narrow focus on this one apartment complex. But we get the impression that, like the zombie outbreak maybe isn't as widespread as we would expect it from a zombie movie. We see these zombies and we think, oh, the whole world is infected.
Speaker 2:At this point, yeah, but there's still radio yeah, it loses power.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and like part of part of the movie is him trying to get a signal with his cell phone. Yeah, and he uses a selfie stick and hangs off the the edge of the the banister to try to like, get it far enough out. I don't like that he uses a selfie stick and hangs off the edge of the banister to try to get it far enough out.
Speaker 2:I don't like that scene.
Speaker 1:He uses one of his drones to take his phone high up and uses a Bluetooth headset to try to make a call with it and loses that drone. He had a few drones, and then there was a part about you could use. Could you could, uh, use a wired pair of headphones as an antenna to get a radio signal with a special app? Um, so like there were people outside of the area that were like there was still communications happening. Um, it's just that wherever he was, things were not going as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting that it's contained, because I think one of the zombie themes across most movies and shows is that it's not okay, like it totally ravages humanity. But there does seem to be some hope, yeah, um, I also have an important message from this movie, a moral of the story. Some might say oh, get the fuck off the internet, you dirtbags, that's, that is what they say in the movie, isn't it? Get outside.
Speaker 1:You bunch of dirtbags. Why don't you get off of your internets?
Speaker 2:Stop playing those video games and go meet girls, stop listening to this podcast and go outside or listen to us while you walk. That's fine, and I would like to say this is a message for myself as much as anybody else. I, as I said, have, like, really been struggling the last few weeks with wanting to do much of anything. So, yeah, I also need to get off the internet. Dirt bag.
Speaker 1:You know that felt really mean to say to myself I apologize, I'm not a dirt bag, but our listeners aren't either.
Speaker 2:I was joking, but like then I said to myself and I was like this stung a little bit, I'm sorry, and you know what, maybe you're not, and you know what, maybe you're not, you know, maybe you're actually leaving your house yeah, they're leaving a one-star review. They called us dirt bags honestly, if anybody writes a review and it gives us five stars and it the title is, they call this dirt bags that's kind of like that's sort of my dream.
Speaker 2:Now that's my Pokemon. Yeah, I'm waiting for that review, but yeah, I think that like it's interesting because social media is very helpful for him. He actually posts a video of himself saying like I'm here, here's my address, come get me.
Speaker 1:He also says that his subscribers would know him by, and then he gives his username. Yeah, but what's also kind of cool about it is he realizes in the moment he goes.
Speaker 2:he also says that his uh subscribers would know him by, and then he gives his username, yeah, but what's what's also kind of cool about it is he realizes in the moment he goes he's like hit, subscribe, blah blah, and then he kind of like was like, yeah, never mind. And I think that that's my point is that I mean like this is a good movie that shows the technology can be really helpful, but ultimately it won't save us, yeah, and that the person who ends up helping him the most is literally across a courtyard from him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I hate being that elder millennial. That's like go outside, have real life contact, especially when I resist it so much. But I think that there is a bit of a message in this movie about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what else there is a message about in this movie. What? The importance of family.
Speaker 2:Family's important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyone who's seen the Fast and the Furious movies would know how important family is.
Speaker 2:Isn't that chosen family?
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, he has some moments. The first thing that you see him doing is calling to his mom to see if breakfast is ready, and nobody's there because they went out shopping that day. His mom still makes him breakfast.
Speaker 2:What a sweet life. I say that when you make me breakfast every day straight for four months, except for when we go out for breakfast. Yeah, you're doing a lot lately, you know what?
Speaker 1:You're going to be in the same situation as as, as as Jen here You're going to be, you're going to be, you're going to wake up one morning like Dan Dan is breakfast ready and then you're going to walk around the house and be like nobody's here.
Speaker 2:To be clear, that's not how it works. I get up before Dan gets up because I have to go to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then Dan rolls out of bed in just enough time to get me food before my first meeting, which is usually 10 am, so I'm usually eating at like 9.30.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm really grateful for you, because I am going to have to, like, carve out an extra 30 minutes of my morning when you're gone. But I will not be real. I have yet to have. You know what I want breakfast in bed. That's what this is making me realize. No, because I had breakfast out, but if I'm not having breakfast out, I think that that's a. It would be a lovely thing one day. Yeah, breakfast in bed.
Speaker 1:Well, anyways, um, he very much mourns the loss of his family. Yeah, uh, he has like a a drunken episode where, like he kind of, he has like a flashback of his mom and his sister and his and his father coming home and coming through the front door and and his father coming home and coming through the front door and it's just like life is normal, you know, like they come home with the groceries, he looks through the groceries and gets a snack and then when he realizes that it was all like a dream, he just like breaks down and starts bawling.
Speaker 2:His acting in that moment felt very real, like I've had those moments where you're crawling on the full like crawling on the floor, sobbing, racking, racking, sobs and like that was like choking while crying it was.
Speaker 2:I thought it was very well done. Um, and actually the name of the movie, I think, is because of this one scene where he gets a voicemail from his dad that just says like, just stay alive, yeah, um, no matter what I think, and that's like the last thing he hears from them before they get. Does he hear them get eaten on the voicemail?
Speaker 1:I forget, uh, but it's pretty clear they're gonna be dead. Yeah, they leave a voicemail that he receives days later because you know the yeah reception, reception is bad, um, but he, what they leave is they leave a voicemail saying, um, that whatever he does, he needs needs to survive. Yeah, hashtag alive and they sound very worried. There's a lot of background noise, like there's something happening in the background and then it cuts off and that's all the information that he has.
Speaker 2:That's sad.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think of my parents dying a lot and the complex emotions I will have when that happens. Yeah, I think even if your relationships aren't perfect, it's still hard to have a parent die, unless you just like fuck them, which is also a fair response.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like my biological father, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know, if you found out that he died, you might have some things to process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe Mostly. I'm just waiting for my ability to go on Ancestrycom and see how many brothers and sisters I have.
Speaker 2:That brothers and sisters I have. That is going to be interesting. Yes, yeah, because you can't find out until they die. Well, that's not true. I think if you do a dna test, you can also. If one of your relatives has also done a dna test, then you can find them, because that's how my friend's mother found her biological mother, I see, was through dna testing. So it's possible and that's also, I believe, how that one um fertility specialist guy impregnated all the women in that one town and they all found out they were related to each other because of dna tests.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was. There was a. There's a guy that ran a fertility clinic and he replaced all of the specimens of sperm with his own, and basically everybody in the town is his child basically, his message to the world is that family and community is important, and if it's all the same, yeah, just like this movie even better yeah, I'm trying to bring it back just like fast and the furious family is important yes, and on the note of family and togetherness, I do think that that is a theme.
Speaker 2:I think it's a theme of any movie we've seen where somebody is hashtag alone for a long period of time, like the French one. What was that one called? Oh Something night? Yeah, the longest night. No, no, it's okay. We don't need to remember it because we're talking about it, right now the night eats the world.
Speaker 2:Yes, that was a good one, but same thing. I think togetherness is very evident. And a quick content warning for folks Fast forward two minutes probably because we're about to talk about suicide Enter brief pause here. And suicide. I laugh. I'd like to qualify my laughter, which I laugh when I'm in pain, I laugh when things are really sad and horrible. I would get in a lot of trouble if I was ever in the military, I'm pretty sure during basic training, because I'm fairly certain that my stress response would be to laugh.
Speaker 2:Yeah that happens. Yeah, I'd be that person. And then they'd be like what are you smiling about? And that happens. Yeah, I'd be that person. And then, they'd be like what are you smiling about?
Speaker 1:and then I'd laugh more, and then I'd have to do 10 000 push-ups and I can not even do one on my toes, so I'm fucked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah you probably shouldn't join the military. No, I knew that a long time ago, but there is uh, the main character does contemplate like he's. He tries for quite a while contemplate or attempt, actually hangs himself. Oh yeah, Wasn't he? He was literally.
Speaker 1:He hangs himself from the ceiling fan.
Speaker 2:And then didn't he see her laser pointer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this is when he meets the girl across the street who's watching him through her, through her binoculars, and you know she, she messages him with a laser pointer, she points a laser beam in his eyeballs and, you know, does eye surgery on him and uh hypnotizes him into realizing his life might be worth saving and uses some like, some like letters that were that were on the wall, like there's some posters and she like circles some of the letters and and she's just like no kim yubin was very smart yeah, yeah, she was the only smart person in this movie.
Speaker 2:He was kind, though, but yeah. So like I think that any time suicide comes into something like this, it's like that feeling of aloneness, yeah, and not getting better, which is a very fair thing to consider when you are out of food and only been drinking whiskey for days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't even talk about that yet. Whis food and only been drinking whiskey for days? Yeah, we didn't even talk about that yet. Whiskey for days? He didn't. He barely had any water when the when the zombie apocalypse started, um, and the last bottle of water that he had he ended up spilling yeah um, so he got into his father's liquor cabinet and just started drinking whiskey, which is the worst idea in the world. It's true, this is a kid that's never drank whiskey before in his life how do you know that?
Speaker 1:because if he'd had drank whiskey before in his life, he would know that it's the worst idea ever to drink that instead of water I've only had small amounts of whiskey, so I really can't.
Speaker 2:I really don't have any context.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's like I mean, there's no comparison, it's like.
Speaker 2:It's like being like I'm so thirsty, I'm gonna drink some gasoline you know, what I'll say about this show is it really highlights the brilliance of this woman and really highlights that this guy's not prepared for life or survival in any way like they're. The stark contrast is sort of refreshing, because it's usually the other way around I think she saves him. Um, she saves him. She's way more competent, basically everything that he is. Yeah, like she, she has rock climbing skills.
Speaker 1:She has rock climbing equipment. Yep and uh, and he's just he's what he has is. He has this like brashness, like there's a few times that he leaves the apartment and like the first time is just because he's pissed off and he's, he just goes out screaming, he takes a golf club with him because he was, because he was mad about his family being dead. So he goes out there and he's on a, he's on a suicide mission. He just starts, he finds a zombie, just starts clubbing it and then he, uh, zombies in the club. Yeah, and it doesn't go well, he gets chased around for a while until he can finally sneak back to his apartment. These, these zombies are relentless they are.
Speaker 2:Isn't that when the fridge zombie comes?
Speaker 1:no, that was early on. Um, he, he made some noise or something inside of the apartment. Uh-huh and uh, a zombie outside of his door just hammered his door down. He had the the fridge in front of the apartment and uh, a zombie outside of his door just hammered his door down. He had the the fridge in front of the door, stopping the door from being open, and didn't matter for the zombie. Yeah, the zombie broke through the door, um, and and like I don't know, try, it was trying to get around the fridge to get to him well, he actually had to, like I think it was the fridge zombie that did get get the fridge.
Speaker 2:And then this was the scariest part for me, because I think I have a reasonable fear of heights. And I think it is a reasonable fear because heights are bad oh right, you can fall. And he literally like he's also acrobatic dude, because he jumps over the side of his railing and clings on to it with his fucking fingers and the zombie just runs after him and trips over the. Um, what's?
Speaker 2:the word, the barrier like the porch barrier, yeah, the railing, railing, thank you, uh. And plummets to his death because he's I don't know how many stories up, but he's high up, yeah, like three or four at least, yeah, yeah. And then he, then he does a pull-up and gets back inside and let me tell you these are more moments of evidence that I'm not prepared for the apocalypse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, he was also small. Yeah yeah, it's easier to do those things when you barely weigh a buck.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever been able to do it, Maybe when I was like five you know when I, when I was in the army, I had struggled to do pull-ups. Yeah, I don't think they're for everybody.
Speaker 1:It wasn't part of our regular physical fitness routine. It is if you're in the Marines, but in the Army it's not part of the physical fitness test, so we didn't do them. There was one time that I, that that we, that we did do it for PT and everybody else was doing, like you know, 20, 30 pull-ups and I'm like I can like barely got my chin up to the bar. First of all, you had to jump up to this bar. That was like eight feet in the air.
Speaker 2:like I could, I could barely grab it with my fingertips I was just listening to that story of you, uh, not being able to do any chin-ups or whatever pull-ups, and I had a very embarrassing memory of going to a friend's house and they had like a really cool rooftop thing to hang out in but you had to be able to pull yourself up. There was no other way to get up there and they had to help me and I was so embarrassed and then I thought to myself it's a good thing you and I are never having children. That's literally my method.
Speaker 2:I was like these kids wouldn't be able to pull themselves up so vertically challenged they'd be tall but like don't, they'd have powerful hind quarters. Yeah, if you're very strong on the bottom end, of the top end is you know, my lungs are, uh, too small for my body size, literally. Yeah, it's been discussed, wow I did not know that I have a very small rib cage for the rest of me, uh let's move on yeah, um, what else did we love from this movie, dan, or what? What did you love the most?
Speaker 1:what I loved the most was, um and this is something that I talk about a lot like uh, in a lot of movies, is that this isn't a power fantasy. In fact, it's the opposite. Like he, these characters are very powerless. Um, they're not going on zombie killing sprees. They're not like this isn't a road trip across across uh, korea to like get to a theme park and hang out on the water slide or something, yeah, or zombie land?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know they're not. It's. It's not a romp, it's not an action. Uh, hard driving, uh, splatter, gore, fest. Um, this is like. This is much more what I feel like an accurate fight for survival would look like.
Speaker 2:I agree, and the desperation that comes along with that when you're not prepared. Yeah, hashtag prepared. I'm just going to hashtag everything for this episode.
Speaker 1:And you know, you can make a zombie story so much more interesting if every single zombie that you encounter is a really difficult battle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's why the Walking Dead's the shamblers, the walkers, not that scary, yeah, after a while it was able to do because they were, they gained popularity and they had a big budget because they were able to ramp up the number of walkers. So, like later on in the, in the series we have, we can see hordes of thousands of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, specifically like season six, when they they have to redirect the entire like multi-thousand zombie horde out of, uh, out of the quarry down the road yeah, but I mean, I guess it wasn't that level of horde but this, I think a smaller horde like what was in this movie, and that they're fast as fuck and also can climb if they're a former firefighter is scary shit. Um, something else I really loved from the the movie were the visual metaphors. One of them was a little heavy-handed but I still liked it. It was about the the plant. Um, yeah, kim keeps watering her plant, which is really sweet because she's running out of water too, and you can see her look at her water and be like I'm gonna give this to my snake plant. I want to also point out I don't know how many days it's been that they've been stuck there with.
Speaker 1:Snake plants don't need water very much, so if anything, uh, it wasn't really necessary, but it was a lovely act of generosity and a symbol of how kind she was showed she was kind and also like uh, she was thinking beyond her own survival yeah, and and also what I like about that scene too, is that her water bottle had markings on it and she marked off with a marker how many days based on to ration her water, and that's a great idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then this one is one I wrote while I was watching, so let's see if it makes any sense now, but I felt like it was a pretty strong visual metaphor. Falling in love with a person is like looking across the courtyard at them in another building. It's like it's amazing You've made this connection, and it's also really scary and unclear what the fuck you're going to do next when you have those kinds of feels for somebody and I felt like that the if you stripped away the zombies from the movie.
Speaker 2:I think the message of the movie is like two people trying to connect with each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah and uh, yeah, and if it weren't for this situation, you probably would have never known that she was there because he was wrapped up in his online world I mean, everybody who's in a couple uh has some kind of like origin story, right, that's like how they found each other and it's usually there's just always some level of chance. But I think it was. It's more than metaphor, because I feel like that sometimes. I mean between you and I, for how long we knew each other but couldn't be together. You were physically very distant from me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And sometimes we didn't talk at all, and sometimes we talked but it was hard. So there was like a lot of I don't know. I think there was like a beautiful love story in here too, and I think that sometimes a love story is a lot like laser pointering somebody when they're about to unalive themselves so that they don't, and then feeding them through a long distance. You're looking at me like where's Leah going?
Speaker 1:No, I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting.
Speaker 2:What are you waiting for?
Speaker 1:You're on a roll, am I? I'm just waiting. What are you waiting for? You're on a roll, am I? I'm just letting you get it out.
Speaker 2:This is what happens when we don't prepare. I just went on a random. There was somewhere I was going with that, but I don't remember. I guess my point is there was a lot of trying all these different ways to connect and understand each other and be together and it takes time to figure out how to do that with somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It requires a drone. Yeah, it requires a drone. It requires rope and a lunchbox. Yeah, it requires a carabiner running away from a large amount of zombies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes you got to repel down from your third floor apartment and then, like, run through a parking lot that's full of zombies and then, like, do some parkour over a car a parking lot that's full of zombies and then like do some parkour over a car?
Speaker 2:yeah, isn't there a song about doing anything for?
Speaker 1:love. That's what I was trying to say this whole time.
Speaker 2:It's exactly like that when you're getting into a relationship, you have different um communication styles and needs and you're like figuring each other out yeah, yeah, uh, they definitely had different communication styles. Yes, uh, she made fun of him a lot she did not think he was very smart no, no, and you know what? I don't even know how much of a love story like.
Speaker 1:We don't know if it's the love of his life or love of her life yeah, well, you don't even know if this is a romantic love, but they do care for each other. I, I feel the vibes yeah, I mean, the vibes are there sure yeah yeah, but also it's not. It's not the um, the boy gets the girl at the end, kind of story.
Speaker 1:You know this is a story about two people meeting and then working very hard to keep each other alive, because they matter to each other, cause they're it as far as I think. I think that's a great love story to tell, because it doesn't. It doesn't have to be two people fall in love and then they get married and then they have babies after the movie's over. It can just be we are both alive at the same time and we care about each other. Yeah, that can be the story.
Speaker 2:I guess I'd watch that movie, because I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's what this is, and maybe more happens, but we'd have to have a sequel to find out is there anything else you really loved in the film, dan, that you want to point out?
Speaker 2:I love the ingenuity. What's ingenuous about it?
Speaker 1:so there was so many things that I hadn't seen in other zombie movies because, you know, so many zombie movies are like, hey, we gotta get our guns and shoot the zombies, like it becomes that you know, um, and it becomes, you know, like, uh 2004, dawn of the dead.
Speaker 1:It's just like a non-stop action thrill ride, guns blazing. Let's turn our buses into zombie murder trucks. Um, but this had things like wrapping towels around your shoes so you don't make noise when you're walking around outside using whatever you can get as a weapon, like a golf club a chair that you somehow I don't know how she did it, but she like whittled the four legs into stabby things yeah and then hung it in some sort of booby trap fashion so that if the door was opened by a zombie it would get um impaled by the chair stabs and that's not even the only chair that she does um.
Speaker 1:Later on, when they're escaping a certain apartment where things happen, um, she uses a I don't even know what it is like some kind of rolling dolly, maybe it was like a the bottom of a chair, like an office chair, and she puts a kitchen chair on top of it at an angle and uses it like as a ram to push, to push zombies out of the way.
Speaker 1:And they'd get tangled up in the, in the, in the legs, and couldn't reach her, and she could just keep on pushing as long as she kept moving, that's smart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were both. They were both um smart in their own way. As much as I'm making fun of uh jun, wo wait, I'm gonna go back and read how to pronounce it uh juno. What about what we didn't love? Dan, I don't have a lot of things I didn't love about this movie yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:I struggle to find. You know what I don't like. What Is when he drinks a whole lot of whiskey instead of water? Yeah, he makes a lot of mistakes it gave me a headache.
Speaker 2:That's the point of the movie, though, is to judge somebody for making mistakes. I just don't like it because of how it made me feel yeah, did it give you flashbacks?
Speaker 1:I tasted whiskey when he did that. Really, would you drink?
Speaker 2:whiskey now.
Speaker 1:Maybe, if it was a special occasion, did you have a whiskey?
Speaker 2:boys club or something like that at some point. Yeah, something like that Did you actually drink whiskey in the boys club.
Speaker 1:I did for the first one. The second one I drank an energy drink and then halfway through I admitted that it was not whiskey. The fancy boys whiskey club. Yes, that's right, you're so dapper I even made a shirt I want a t-shirt.
Speaker 2:Uh, speaking of t-shirts, we've got the uh evil magic chicken zombie t-shirt out. It is in the description right now. We'll have to bring that up at the end yeah, I thought I'll do it now, but if anyone's paying, attention right now and hasn't completely glazed over at this point.
Speaker 1:I feel like that happens, so I've listened to podcasts before oh yeah, you get distracted doing other things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're like wait, I haven't listened to this. Uh, how?
Speaker 1:did you feel about the storytelling?
Speaker 2:um, I thought it was good it was. It was one of those movies that kept my attention like I'd give it eight out of ten z's for my attention span test I passed, but I don't think. It was like I'm not thinking about it weeks later, you know, like I'm probably going to forget about this one. In fact I did Cause we'd already watched it. And then you were like hey, we watched that movie and we could do an episode about it. And I was like what I don't remember. I think it's worth watching, but it's not a the Dead Don't Die, where I didn't really enjoy it. And then I can't stop thinking about it months later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sorry this stayed in my memory. Hmm, I remember this movie a lot. Maybe it's just because it hits a lot of the check marks of what I love in a zombie movie.
Speaker 2:And it's kind of like you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's very relatable it is.
Speaker 1:You know it's, it's a it's about.
Speaker 2:It's about agoraphobia and uh and leaving your apartment for love yeah, for the first time ever, yeah let's get into the racist, sexist, capitalist, colonial, ableist misogyny of the living dead. Yeah, our favorite part, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna say it now, fails all of them but it's also one of those movies that I'm not really sure that these tests are a good way of thinking about it yeah, considering there's really only two real speaking roles.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, no three, because there's a guy, another guy in the in a and then there's the people, the voicemail dad yeah, voicemail and the mom and dad memory.
Speaker 2:But I will, I think, I think we can just go ahead and say, if you've listened to this before and you know, we do a test on like basic, uh, representation of people who are not men, uh, people of color, uh, disabled people showing up in um zombie media, and then also lgbtqia folks, and I'd say it fails all of them. But I will say that, um, the only one that I have any meaningful critique based on the context of the movie is, uh, the bechdel test, because and it's not because it fails the test, right, you don't have two men talking to each other or something else other than a man, which is the, the test. That doesn't happen. But there's also it's also a story of people who are alone, hence the name of the American version, and so I think it's more for me.
Speaker 2:I don't, you know, is it a fair critique for me to be like I'm annoyed that it's another male lead. Is that fair? That is primarily from his point of view that I'm just like, I guess. So I don't, I don't know, because I feel like obviously there should be room for stories from everybody's point of view, but I guess it's more of a broad disappointment how infrequently I see, uh, a female or non-binary um trans person's point of view as the main character in any of these films yeah, and it could have.
Speaker 2:It could have been um from it could have absolutely been the opposite it could have been.
Speaker 1:it could have, it could have been the female lead's perspective the entire time.
Speaker 2:However, well, actually, you know what I would have liked that? I would have liked her problem. I would have liked to see her being like I need a fucking chair, booby trap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I need a pointy stick chair to harpoon zombies with and you know, I feel like there's room to have a second movie that is from her point of view. And then they're companion movies. You can watch both of them, get both sides of the story.
Speaker 2:That would be really fun, yeah, and I think beyond that, though, I do think they did a decent job with her character. She had backstory, she had personality, she was smart.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She wasn't just like a paper cutout, so I'll give them that and then the race test. I mean, you know, she made her own decisions to korean people yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was. There's no other, no other races um. I will say that I think that this also as far as the disability representation, maybe it's not somebody with a physical disability, but these are both people that have um mental or emotional disabilities, because are both people that have mental or emotional disabilities.
Speaker 2:What is the?
Speaker 1:woman's mental or emotional disability. She's afraid of heights and she's a rock climber. She has to overcome her fear of heights to rappel down.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's a disability.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, she has a crippling fear. Okay, that's fair. And the only reason that she hadn't left her apartment is because she's afraid to climb down. She can't leave out the front door. Yeah, you mean the window? Well, she can leave the window, but she can't leave the out of the front door.
Speaker 2:The front door is blocked and she's, and she's, uh oh, you're saying she can't leave physically, not that she can't leave as in, she doesn't want like yeah, her her only way out is the window right, but she's.
Speaker 1:But she has crippling fear of heights right, and there's a story there, because she is also a rock climber, so she's been clearly intentionally overcoming that fear, which is interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're right, he does have depression. So there's that, um, yeah, he's agoraphobic yeah, I mean I. I don't know if he's really agoraphobic or if we are projecting that well, I think he is okay.
Speaker 1:Then let's just say he is.
Speaker 2:I do want to go back to race for a second, because it is about depth of characters, of color, and I think this is an interesting example and we've talked about it before with other uh, korean film or tv series is that some of these tests and like ways of thinking don't always apply fully in other contexts. Because, um, while I'm sure that there are conceptions of race in korea, one, I don't know much about it, so I don't have a lot that I could comment on it. Uh, I know there is racial diversity in korea, but, uh, like the um right, you can't extract concepts of race with from power, and so what I'm not clear about is the power dynamics of race in korea. And also, if it's interesting, because if this film was, uh, two korean folks in new york city, then it would pass the race test of flying colors, but does it pass it when it's two korean folks in?
Speaker 1:seoul. That is an interesting question because, like, if we have a movie that is all like if it's in the united states, but it's all one race of people, is that actually passing?
Speaker 2:I, I think it is, if it's not white people, because it's about the connection between race and power, which is that it's people have, uh are divided into races in order to maintain power amongst white people, and particularly wealthy white folks, and to create that hierarchy, so that there's um, you have this conception, you have to oppress somebody. Somebody else can benefit, which is not true, but that's how our society is set up. And so, in this context, if it was a movie, again, of two korean folks in new york city, I would say it passed it. I don't know if it passes it in korea because I don't know enough of the cultural context, and I think that that's an important thing to point out. Like, it's harder to critique these things, um, when it's a culture that is not my own, and I know I know very little about korean culture. Yeah, and even if I did, I would be difficult to, you know, to pass judgment because I'm not k.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember when we watched Zombieverse, it was actually surprising that they had two African characters.
Speaker 2:It was surprising to us, and so I wonder if that's like were we surprised because we also just assume that Korea like was there some sort of assumption or bias that we have that like Korea is just Koreans?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2:I think I've done this before, but I'm going to Google it again. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I think I've done this before, but I'm going to Google it again. What is the ethnic diversity of Seoul? I feel like it's got to be pretty diverse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also, zombieverse had a Japanese character, so progress.
Speaker 2:Yes, I remember that. How culturally diverse is Korea. It's close to being defined as a multicultural society. This is from Korea Times. By the way, it's a Korea website. The percentage of people from multicultural backgrounds exceeds 5% of the total population. So a smaller percent, but still significant. But again, like the power dynamics, there are going to look different and where you are in the hierarchy of race and power is probably different than here.
Speaker 1:That's all I have to say about that. Yeah, all right. Well, leah, could you do it better?
Speaker 2:uh, I would do it a lot worse. Mine is the whiskey, yeah, but I do want to know something, dan. Yeah, would you trap people to feed me if I was a zombie?
Speaker 1:if you're a zombie, you don't need food.
Speaker 2:If you're a zombie but what if you don't know that? Because you're not a zombie, but you don't know that. So imagine a world where you don't know that. Imagine a alternate universe where you've never heard about zombies. And then zombies come, and then I become one, and then you lock me in a room because you don't want to kill me, because you think I might. I could just be sick, you don't know. Yeah, uh, do you then take the next step of murdering other people or capturing them so that I can keep eating?
Speaker 1:you know that's a tough question. That's my moral dilemma for you. But you know, I know. I know as much as I know about you. I don't think you would want me to feed you people. That's true. Even if the monster version of you is craving people, I would still cook you some tofu.
Speaker 2:That makes you a lot nicer than oh, I'm forgetting his name main character in the Last of Us. Oh, joel, yeah, because Joel fully doesn't care what other person his name is. I don't remember now what's her name Ellie, ellie, yeah, yeah, ellie doesn't want him to do the things that he does, or she wouldn't if she knew about it, but he he's, he. His interest in keeping her alive for himself, in a way, um is more important to him.
Speaker 2:So that's very kind that you would choose my what you would think I would want over your desire to keep me around yeah although I don't know if zombie leah would be very fun oh, I think you'd be a blast what would be my um work specific skills that I would be demonstrating as a zombie oh well, you know what I could put a harness on you a harness and a rope and pulley system and I could.
Speaker 1:I could have you help me um lift and carry things. I don't lift and carry things for my job yeah, but this is you as a zombie. You have a different job as a zombie no, but you're.
Speaker 2:You carry on your characteristics from when you were alive, as a zombie in this universe. I didn't know that, yeah, so I guess that's where I was going with this, I don't know, maybe you would facilitate a zombie facilitator solar. Oh my goodness. Sometimes I feel like a zombie when I'm facilitating like leah, get, get here, pay attention if I put you in front of like a uh, in front of like a spreadsheet.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, if I, if I opened up mural for you, maybe you could like make a presentation. You could.
Speaker 2:You don't use yeah you know so little about. I mean, you're kind, you're like in the, you're in the city of my job, but, um, it's interesting because if you did decide to keep me alive, that might be a way to soothe me. Uh, you could just yeah, you could open a mural that would. That would calm me down. If I was a zombie, if you were a zombie, you'd be a truck driving zombie and that is amazing to think about.
Speaker 1:What a missed opportunity in this film to have like a driving zombie yeah, I don't know if zombies necessarily have the motor skills or reflexes if a zombie who's a fireman can climb a fucking teeny, tiny, skinny little rope, so I bet you could still drive an 18-wheeler yeah, I probably would run over a lot of people though that wouldn't well.
Speaker 2:You probably like run over a few and then back up and then go eat them, yeah, but I guess you prefer them alive. So I don't know what the I run over their legs. That it would actually be an excellent demonstration of your precision.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as an 18 wheeler truck driver, which I know you have because you're an excellent driver and I'd stop with the, with the, uh, with the rear tires, like just on their feet so they can't crawl, and then I just go and go and eat their legs uh, could you do anything better in this film, dan? Oh yeah, I mean. I mean, it depends on you know, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:First of all, I wouldn't drink the whiskey, I wouldn't drink the alcohol. It's not. Yeah, no, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2:First of all, is that true? If you're like in the depths of depression, you realize everybody that you love is dead.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a different story. I would not drink it for sustenance.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't think he was.
Speaker 1:I think I think he started at first. He's just like I'm just I'm going to drink this because I'm so thirsty.
Speaker 2:Hmm. Then there's a certain point that he reached, where he just became a little bit unhinged. Dying of thirst is like my worst nightmare. I bring a water bottle with me everywhere all the time.
Speaker 1:Um, I would, I would fight the zombies better. Uh, they're, I'm, I'm a, I'm a fucking, I'm a wrecking machine. Leah, that's true, I am in my prime. I'd I'd go head to head. Actually, I feel like that. I mean, I feel like that's true just because I'm not running. You know, like the song Country Boy Can't Survive, can't make, can't make me run, yeah, so you got to fight. Can't starve me out, can't make me run, because my knees will not allow it.
Speaker 2:My back.
Speaker 1:Oh, my back is fucked.
Speaker 2:Do you think you could beat these zombies, though, because they're intense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know I I intense. Yeah, you know I. Um, I've I've thought a lot about how I'd go hand to hand with zombies and I I would find like a what I'd. What I'd want to find the most is I'd want to find some pvc pipes. So, like, I'm gonna work my way to like a maintenance closet. There's there's probably a maintenance area where they have a lot of like spare materials, tools and things. I'll use that golf club at first, maybe club somebody with a whiskey bottle. But you know, I'm just gonna like as they're running at me, I'm not gonna spend my time running away. I'm not going to like fumble and everything. I'm gonna wait for exactly the moment to swing and I'm just gonna crack them so hard that they drop instantly and then throw their body over the edge I mean that is a great waste disposal, although I bet you the smell of the dead zombies piling up would be unpleasant after a while.
Speaker 1:And then I'm working my way to the maintenance closet and what I'm looking for is really thick PVC pipe for sewage drains.
Speaker 2:So you're going to get sewage all over you. These are fresh.
Speaker 1:These are for replacement. They keep them on hand so that if a, if a, if a pipe breaks, they can replace it really quickly. Um, I mean, this is a hopeful one, because maybe they don't have it, but uh, the idea is that I cut them so that they can fit over my, my hands and forearms. I put the caps right on the edge, where my fists are, and I hold on to them on the inside and I've got like hard plastic fists.
Speaker 2:I can just go, you know, go wild, throw haymakers and just completely bust heads is this what you're thinking about, when I wake up in the middle of the night and I just see you lying there with your eyes open?
Speaker 1:yes, okay and other things yes among them gas masks, if, uh, if those things were not available, which you know possibly they wouldn't be yeah, I'm going for like uh likestick and I'm going to snap it off and burn the end. It's called fire hardening. You make a hard, sharp tip at the end of a piece of wood and I'm going to use it as a spear. I'm just going to go around just spearing everybody on my level.
Speaker 1:That's a good one, I like that one and then block off the staircases. I'm turning that whole apartment into a fortress. I'm that one. I block off the staircases. I'm turning that whole apartment into a fortress. I'm gonna go room by room and just clear them out, throw them, throwing them over the over the balcony that's smart, and then you can at least eat the food and water that you can find yeah, I'm eating all their, all their food.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm taking their spider plants, taking the spider plants up to the roof, like when I have a spider plant garden. I'm gonna eat plants. That's the long-term survival goal. These plants like, I don't know if they're edible, but I'm going to eat them. I'm just going to pick leaves off.
Speaker 2:What if they're poisonous and you?
Speaker 1:get sick Salad. Well, that is future Dan problems.
Speaker 2:I got to say, as usual I have much more confidence in your survival than my own. I don't. I think, like I have not thought a lot about what I would do in these scenarios and I would like to believe that I would figure some shit out, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm going to take uh bits, bits of cord, um, extension cords, ropes, strings, whatever I can get, and I'm going to set up uh trip wires every you know 50 feet on on the outside edges, so that if there's a gathering at the end of the hallway, you know, I just get their attention. I'm like, hey assholes, why don't you come eat me, eat my balls? And they'll come running at me and then trip, and then I go up and stab them in the head with my spear.
Speaker 2:The size of Dan's pupils right now, as he imagines this the dopamine is flowing. I was just listening to you thinking about how, what you would do, and I was like, do I have anything comparable, that I have? This level of plan? The only things I have are what I would do on like really long interior camping trips. I have backup plans for that. But I think more importantly um, we watched a film recently called something I'm thinking of the one.
Speaker 1:What are we talking about?
Speaker 2:I'm thinking of the one, uh, where she gets kidnapped and is going to be murdered by the serial killer?
Speaker 1:I don't remember now, was it called alone? No, it was called was it called alone?
Speaker 2:yeah, because she's alone wow, there's too many movies named alone. But, yes, alone alive.
Speaker 2:Well, there's also the naked and afraid there's also the alone, which is the companion movie to this one, which we have to watch, but in that film, like the whole time, everything she's doing, I have uh, I'm pretty sure my eye pupils are the size of dinner plates and I have lots of opinions about what I would do if I was captured by a serial killer, because those are things I think about yeah, also magazines, tape magazines around your forearms yep, forearm, forearm protection.
Speaker 1:99 of all zombie bites are, uh, defensive wounds. Uh, what study did you read that from? Dan? Uh, it's a. The study that I conducted myself is it in the zombie?
Speaker 2:is it from the zombie research society? Maybe?
Speaker 1:which is a real thing. It is a real thing?
Speaker 2:yeah, they might have some info about that.
Speaker 1:But but yeah, if you think about it how zombies operate and how they come at you I got to imagine that most bites are going to be on your hands, on your arms. The whole idea of zombies coming for your neck. Those are vampires.
Speaker 2:It's also really difficult because vampires have really great what are these teeth called your incisors? Yeah, I'm like this is our channel. Go ahead and leave us off, because I these teeth called your incisors? Yeah, I'm like, who am I? This is our channel. Go ahead and leave us off, because I'm like trying to touch my incisors.
Speaker 1:We're professionals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they actually have teeth that would do that. I always find it a little annoying that human teeth are capable of so much carnage when clearly our ancestors were mostly herbivores. Just saying, clearly our ancestors were mostly herbivores, just saying. And I think our ancestors might have eaten like some I mean like long time ago ancestors, not recent ones would have eaten some meat and some like insects especially, and fish, but mostly chomping them plants. Our teeth look a lot like plant eater teeth. So it always seems strange to me that humans are taking like like whenever there's like a bite mark on somebody's shoulder and I don't mean like the top of their shoulder, there's something to kind of grasp just the middle of their back.
Speaker 1:I'm like that's not fucking, that you know, try that go that's always like a plot convenience, because, like they're, like it's always when they're hiding it. Yeah, you know, nobody ever hides it if, like, their hand is bitten or their foot or there's a big gouge out of their neck.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I can't say that that actually does happen.
Speaker 2:But or their calf.
Speaker 1:Sometimes they'll hide those kinds of things A lot of times like It'll be on their back If they want to hide it from the off their shirt, it's like in the middle of their back this is my, this is my challenge to you.
Speaker 2:I don't mean you, dan, I mean the folks listening. Yeah, find somebody who's willing to let you do this. I want you to go bite someone, try and bite some the middle of somebody's back, through clothes, through at least a medium weight t-shirt yeah, at least take a bite out of some jeans and it's gotta be.
Speaker 1:It's gotta be like the middle of the back, no parts where there's like bumpy things or like the side, and you're gonna have a real hard time with that yeah, you know something that does bother me and this is so off topic at this point because we're not even talking about alive, but like, that's fine, an emphasis on clothing options in the apocalypse is never talked about in movies or tv shows, but like, if you, if you're wearing like a thick leather jacket, like you are wearing zombie armor because they are, I don't care, that's true, I don't care who you are, you're not biting through a like a, like a motorcycle leather jacket.
Speaker 2:There's a reason why that skin.
Speaker 1:It's a reason why bikers wear thick jackets like that is because it's a second layer of skin. Like you can, you can slide on your back on the highway at 70 miles an hour and you'll be fine. It's wild.
Speaker 2:It's wild to think about. Let's get into tips, because there are a lot of survival tips. Yeah, this, this one, uh, we've already talked about this one a lot, the number one stay sober yeah, you know, I say you know, stay sober and unless you're 100 certain that you are safe.
Speaker 1:Maybe get a little tipsy, yeah, but not much I think I I forget which book I read this in, but there is, um, there's one book and you know they survive in the zombie wasteland and then they're in a safe. They're in a safe zone and they go into like a basement or an attic inside of this, like safe town, and like the three characters in this book kind of just like come together, they get really wasted and it's like this very necessary and like venting emotional climax moment where they're all like we're friends.
Speaker 2:Yay, let's be drunk yeah, moral of the story alcohol makes friends ah yes, alcohol the uh social lubricant, the cause and solution of many of life's problems unless you're in love is blind season six and have a feeling that your partner, your, your fiance, isn't interested in you, then I don't think you should drink, because you're going to say stuff you regret.
Speaker 1:This is the zombie movie slash. Love is Blind podcast.
Speaker 2:I do make occasional references to Love is Blind and I have yet to have anyone reach out to me and say I also watch Love is Blind and I want to. Does anybody anybody out there?
Speaker 1:Please let Leah know. Let me know she needs people to talk to about.
Speaker 2:love is blind it's true, it's true. Uh, I have a friend who I pretty much only check in. We only it's mutual. You pretty much only check in with each other when there is some kind of like reality love show and then we just trash talk about the characters in the show. That's how we bond. Other other important tips Some of these are basic but good reminders. Like the CDC guide says, always have at least three days of food and water. Yeah, Available.
Speaker 1:This guy had like maybe a day, but like his parents were out grocery shopping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then the little bit of food that he had he ruined by moving the fridge and the fridge getting tipped over or whatever by the zombie. So he had very little. Um, what's the next one, dan?
Speaker 1:yeah, post your name and address online, if you have access if you have access, like find a way to communicate that like maybe, maybe it's not on the internet at all, maybe, um, maybe you can find like a handheld radio or a ham radio, or you can just like put a sign outside of your house, like let people know that you're in there and you're alive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that was a really smart move that I have not seen before and, honestly, much smarter than writing hello in giant pieces of not just fabric bedsheets, yeah, and dresses and dresses yeah, dawn of the Dead, 2004, 2004.
Speaker 1:they write sos on the roof and paint so that's reasonable, and they had put a whole bunch of signs on the outside saying alive inside yeah, dan and I were talking.
Speaker 2:I love how I'm like talking to not talking to you anymore, I'm talking to the folks listening to this. We were, uh, dan, found out that the dawn of the dead movie is going to come out in theaters and we really want to watch it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we want to watch yeah, we want to, because it's the 45th anniversary now, but we don't know if we'll be able to find it close enough to our country. Bumpkin home, yeah, um, but if we do, we'll watch it and talk about it. Another one that I love is laser pointers. Like I've never thought about the value of a laser pointer beyond entertaining a cat with it. Cats go nuts for them, also dogs sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, light communication is a great way to get somebody's attention from a long distance. The problem with the zombie apocalypse is, if you have a flashlight, you can attract zombies to you because it goes out at a wide angle. You can see it from from many different angles, but if you had a laser pointer, you can. You can focus that light on somebody and only, uh, get their attention.
Speaker 2:A laser pointer saves his life.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I it's. I think it's a really cool little tool and very small, worth putting in your backpack. You never know when you're going to be like you know what I really need right now? A laser pointer, yeah.
Speaker 1:Also, you know in a pinch, it when you're going to be like. You know what I really need right now A laser pointer. Yeah, also, you know in a pinch, it's a source of light. So, like, if you need to like search around inside of your backpack and you don't want to pull a flashlight out and like create a lot of light, pull out the laser pointer and just shoot the laser pointer inside of your backpack and you can see. Oh, I didn't know that. Also, red light is the least invasive kind of light. So if you need to read a map or something using light, um, in the army we put red filters over our our flashlights, um, because it was harder to see I'm having a memory of a thing that I'm not sure I should say on this podcast, but just to say that I do know that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I do did I did I mansplain, I have a few. I have a few flashlights for a very specific purpose that have red tape over them, and that's all I'm gonna say if you can figure that out I would be so impressed. But also if you message me and say I think this is the reason why leah has multiple flashlights with red on them, I'm not gonna tell you if you're right, what.
Speaker 1:No, this is gonna be a mystery. Okay, everybody uh write in your guesses as to why Leah has red flashlights. I have quite a few. It's a nefarious reason.
Speaker 2:I'm not a serial killer. I feel like that would be one reasonable one to guess, and that's not it. I'll send you some kind of emoji and you can determine if that emoji means that you're correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dagger chair booby trap Ugh Was brilliant Booby traps. In general, using a chair is not something that I've ever really considered, but like now I'm thinking about it, especially since, like this booby trap and the the rolling cart that they make to put to like get zombies out of their way, like those legs are so fantastic for tangling people up. Legs are so fantastic for tangling people up, like, if you turn it like on its side, you know, like it's uh, like it's rested on like the front of the seat and the the back of the rest. It's kind of like pointing up at an angle. Like imagine if you were trying to get at somebody and like they were surrounded by like all of these chairs, how difficult it would be to like get through all of that it was really smart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I I again, like you said earlier, it is one of the reasons I like the movie is that they have to work with what they've got. Yeah, and they do it pretty well, and that's, I feel like, if you've got nothing but time, this is the kind of ingenuity that would come up. This is the kind of ingenuity, again, that happens if you put down your phone.
Speaker 2:You start thinking about what else you could do than scrolling your phone. My next one I actually really want a pair and I've wanted a pair for a long time. I'm not talking about underwear, folks, binoculars. Yeah, leah has underwear, I do, I do. Who says she doesn't? I did have a brief period in the middle grade where I went commando all the time and I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 1:I don't think it was so cool commando all the time and I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was. I don't know what it was. I also have a memory of um going to church. This is so blasphemous. I was really little and I tried to go to church at the under room. My mom figured it out. I was, yeah, definitely like five or younger and I was like so scandalous. Yeah, in my brain I knew that that was not appropriate at five yeah, I feel like I did that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, did you say what this was?
Speaker 2:have binoculars yes, oh yeah, leon's talking about binoculars, not underwear. I am not high, I'm not intoxicated, this is just my brain. You did have a third of a gummy.
Speaker 1:That was hours ago, yeah it was hours and hours ago, um, you know I, so I bought a monocular um at work that's for work.
Speaker 2:I mean not, you have a monocular.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's in my, it's my survival bag slash lunchbox where?
Speaker 2:why have we never used your monocular? This sounds like such a good time we have we have.
Speaker 1:I don't remember you were so excited when I got it I bet I was, because I'm excited all over again.
Speaker 2:This is the beauty of being with me.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, a lot of times when I'm in a dump truck, like I'm in a, like a at the, at the loading plant, a lot of times, like we're just sitting there, we're waiting because like the plant is shut down or something and we, we don't know what's going on. Um, and it's important for me to know who is in what truck, what truck number they are, because I need to figure out who's going next, how many places. After this next person, is it my turn to go?
Speaker 2:And you use the monocular for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm sitting in my truck and I use my monocular and I'm like, oh, that's the number of that truck.
Speaker 2:I had no idea you were using a binocular for work and I think this is wonderful. Yeah, and now I don't have to have that on our list, and you know what Binoculars sometimes are really hard to make work properly Like. I'm sure that there's some yeah, you gotta have some good quality ones. You have to have good quality. I think you also have to know how to focus it, and so most of the time I look through binoculars, I'm like I can't see anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it's really out of focus.
Speaker 2:Why does everything look blurry or I can't find the thing I'm trying to find, like the ability to orient and find what you need to look at that close is confusing, but regardless, I think having binoculars is a great thing to have in your survival.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. Extending the limits of your own vision is great because being able to see further than you normally can, it can come in very handy. Yep um listen to women and non-binary folks. Yeah, yeah. So like the, the main character of our movie, he's only alive because of a woman and I think he had some ingenuity, as we've described, but he was just depressed.
Speaker 2:yeah, he was alone. He was just depressed. Yeah, he was alone, he was. And she had better solutions. She had a tricked out safety apartment. His best thing to keep himself safe on the inside was his fridge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and a golf club and that didn't work. Yeah, and his, his ne'er, do well, carefree, attempt to get himself killed while fighting zombies. Yeah, attempt to uh get himself killed while fighting zombies, yeah, which I mean I kind of feel like sometimes that's, that's like the man way to approach problems is like it's like I'm expendable and just start swinging see toxic masculinity episode yeah, exactly, we just did that one, yeah, we did.
Speaker 2:Uh, another one. We talked about this, but I think worth repeating, because there's also a trend here from the cargo movie that we reviewed is the figuring out ways to make your feet quiet so you don't attract zombies via sound.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:It was in that one too, yeah because she was um, I think her name was. To me she was. She was cargo tying, she like leaves and stuff to her shoes.
Speaker 1:Well, she um. She covered her shoes in this sticky sap yeah, and then she stuck, leaves dirt and leaves to the bottom of her shoes which made make it less, less noise and not leave tracks as much, yeah, and not leave because she want to get found by her family, but in this case, again like tapes, I thought taping towels to your feet. That's pretty smart yeah, he had like hand hand towels and he just put them on the bottom of his feet and taped them on there.
Speaker 2:That was a brilliant idea, I will say. This movie and thinking about it more is inspiring me to just. This is why it's important to just sit and do nothing, and by nothing I mean really nothing Like don't read, don't pick up your phone, just lie there and stare vaguely at a ceiling and you might and like pick a thing you want to try and figure out how to do like me in the middle of the night when I think about bashing zombies with pvc pipe hands.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, we got a couple more. What else do we have, dan?
Speaker 1:yeah uh, you know what you know. What's great to have is a headlamp yes, but he didn't have everybody has a headlamp, which you should just buy. One're cheap. But if you don't have one, just tape a flashlight to your head. Just tape it on there.
Speaker 2:He didn't tape it to his head, he taped it to his hat.
Speaker 1:Oh, right to the brim, it was the side. No, it was the side of his hat. Yeah, but it was a small flashlight, so other tip don't have a mag light to your head, that you'd be lopsided crazy, don't do that I see you out there people listening to this podcast currently duct taping a mag light to your head. Stop. That's not what we're talking. We don't have a mag light tape challenge. Don't pretend like like we told you to do, that it's not our fault your uh passion for the mag light discussion.
Speaker 2:Just woke up our dog, who looks really like grumpy, and is looking at me like why are you?
Speaker 1:so see you guys, just upset nero, it's actually. Oh, you upset ziggy. Yeah, you woke him up ziggy, we love you.
Speaker 2:You're a good boy. He's so cute. I feel like I have to give a shout out to our dogs at least once an episode. Oh, also eric, I know eric. Eric has become a flight attendant. For anybody who doesn't know and needs an update on our wonderful friend Eric, yeah.
Speaker 1:You might run into him. We need to have Eric as a guest on our show.
Speaker 2:We do, but he has to have a schedule that we can predict, which is near impossible at this point.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he has a lot of stuff that he wants to do on his days off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, considering he probably has very few See his dog. To be with a significant other, yeah, but uh, regardless, gotta give eric and the dogs a shout out. And then, last but not least, I'm gonna say that rock climbing gear turns out to be very useful yeah, you know it's, it's such an overlooked thing.
Speaker 1:But rock climbing gear is it's so useful in so many ways?
Speaker 2:rope and carabiners like quality carabiners that can hold a lot of weight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also good climbing clothes like shoes and coats and gloves. She had some good climbing gloves and that helped her out when she was making her mad dash through the parking lot.
Speaker 2:It makes me wonder, like I know nothing about Seoul other than it's pronounced Seoul, and that it's in South Korea.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's a really big city and it seems to be very cool. But I just wonder if she was doing indoor rock climbing or if there are places there's got to be places that you can go, obviously, outside to rock climb. I just don't even know the terrain of Seoul, so I'll be Googling that later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sure there's places you can go in Korea to climb rocks.
Speaker 2:There's got to. I mean, yeah, I'm just wondering how close they are to Seoul. These are the this is. I actually am really curious how many of our listeners also have ADHD and how many don't, because I have a feeling that people who like us how are you handling this episode? Also have ADHD. Now, I think at this point, I really believe that, like you, I'm diagnosing you. If you can follow our conversations, you, if you can follow our conversations If you haven't ripped your hair out already, you might also have ADHD, because this is how brains work. On ADHD, you know, there's one more survival tip. What's that?
Speaker 1:Get a drone, and this is something I've been thinking about for so long, really.
Speaker 2:Ever since.
Speaker 1:It's like the binoculars you can see more. Yeah, ever since the scene in the Walking Dead where they go into the grocery store that has the helicopter on the roof that eventually crashes through and traps people under under shelves with zombies falling on top of them, you know, way, way, way back when that was like when that, when that season came out, I was like you know, one thing that everybody should put in their survival kit is like it doesn't have to be anything special.
Speaker 2:They sell these like little, tiny, teeny, tiny, um uh little drones dan is making a thing with his finger that looks like it's like four inches or less yeah, they fit in the palm of your hand and you can connect them to your phone and just fly them around.
Speaker 1:They're just meant to be like little, like fun. Drone toys are like $30. That sounds amazing. I want one. And if you had one of those, you could fly it up and like look around in the tops of buildings and make sure there's no zombies up there. If you get trapped in a room somewhere, you could like fly it around the outside and see where the zombies are.
Speaker 2:You could do like reconnaissance missions around your house to spot any zombies that might be crawling into your yard these feel like good uses for a drone, but in today's society, I'm pretty sure they're just used to be creepy. Yeah, a lot of the time let's just creep on people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in this movie he had two drones. He had a big dji, dji um it looked like a ph 3 drone, which is like a big like. This is like intended for like doing videography. Like a lot of YouTubers had them back in the 2016 era and they're great. They can fly a really long way away. They have like a good amount of payload that they could carry Like you could carry. You could. You could like attach like some supplies to it and like drop them off to somebody else. But he loses that one because it runs out of battery power. But he had another drone that was like a little race drone which people use as in to like do acrobatic drone maneuvers around like things at parks and stuff like met more for fun, and that's what he uses as his like backup drone. So he had two drones. So maybe, maybe, have two drones you know what else you need?
Speaker 2:an apocalypse, not in this movie. A? What are they called? The little mini vehicles that are remote? Oh, like a remote control car yeah, what are they called an rcv? Uh, our rc car.
Speaker 1:Rc car, is that what it is remote car and rc are you talking about like a little thing that you can drive with a remote control on the ground?
Speaker 2:Cause that'd be really fun too, and you could. If you had a little camera on that, it gets some ground terrain going. Or you could just compete with the other kid that also has one that you see in the parking lot playing with it, which happened in my mind once. It didn't actually happen in real life, but we drove by a kid who was playing with their RC in a driveway or no, in a parking lot, remember, dan?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to challenge them, like it was initial D, like go up and be like nice RC car, but it's not faster than mine. I'm the fastest RC champion in this parking lot.
Speaker 2:It would have been wonderful. In my mind it happened. It came up for me like a memory, as you were describing drones, but neither can or there. How many Zeds would?
Speaker 1:you give this. Oh boy, I give this, like I'm going to give it nine Zeds. It was really good.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give it eight just because it was good. But I don't think it's amazing, so solid B movie, and not because it's bad or there's anything like it's like see, then I'm like why am I being tough on this movie? It's good, but I feel like nines and tens are should be, in my mind, reserved for things that are like classic level. Gonna want to re-watch them and think about.
Speaker 1:I do want to re-watch it. I don't I want want to rewatch it like once every couple of months.
Speaker 2:You can do that when I'm not home. I do, but since I'm always home, it might not happen. Well, that is the episode for today. If you stuck around this long, go to our show notes and go get yourself an Evil, magic, chicken, zombie t-shirt. Yeah, we finally made it, and by we I mean Dan. I drew some stuff. Dan made the shirts.
Speaker 1:Also, there are dog kerchiefs, there are baby onesies, we put a little bit of everything in there, yeah there's a mug, a sticker. We didn't like tick every option in the store, but like we put out a few things that were like okay this will be good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm definitely going to get a shirt, yeah there's.
Speaker 1:There's stickers. If you don't want to spend a lot of money, you can get a sticker for like three dollars.
Speaker 2:I think yeah, yeah, and Zompocalypse one's coming your way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and anything, anything that that we get from that. We're going to spend it on microphones so we sound better.
Speaker 2:Yes, I, although I do believe we have a listener who thinks that we don't need to spend so much money on our microphones, and I don't know which one of you is right. Yeah, I read the debate on threads and I thought I'm going to stay out of this, but I do like the idea of spending less money.
Speaker 1:You know, he, he, he knows somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody that has an eBay store that claims that they have the microphones that we want for a third of the price. Wow, I don't trust it, not for a second.
Speaker 2:You don't trust your friend.
Speaker 1:No, I trust him, I don't trust the store and I think that you would never be able to buy drugs.
Speaker 2:I want the best drugs. You have to be able to trust the person who knows the person to get the drugs. That's how drugs happen.
Speaker 1:And I buy it. I'm like, how do I know these are real drugs?
Speaker 2:Only one way. Only one way. Your zombie homework for episode 45, which is only four episodes away now, is the incredible comic series by Lori Calcaterra, path of the Pale Rider. Lori, for those who don't remember, remember is our zombieween reigning champion. If you've not listened to that episode yet, what are you doing? Yeah, what are you doing? It's the best one we've ever made yeah, and my opinion, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's great. It's episode 21. Yeah, I'm the worst part of that episode, but it's really good. Yeah, I mean we spoiled it by telling you who wins, but it's great it's worth listening.
Speaker 2:Uh and uh. You know, take some time to give us a phone call. What number can they call us at, dan?
Speaker 1:Oh, they can call us at 614-699-0006. You can leave us a voicemail up to three minutes. You know, this is like a. It's an only voicemail situation. It's like a burner phone, like you know, like the drug situation we described earlier. Don't ask us for drugs.
Speaker 2:You can ask me why, or you could call in and share your opinion about why you think I have red filtered flashlights you could call in and let us know that you think that Love is Blind with Zombies would be the best mashup ever, because I think it'd be a good time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, although I don't really know how that reality show would work, but we could figure out the kinks. Um yeah, they have to live inside of the pods, the zombies. There's zombies outside, oh yeah, and they, um they, they can try to escape, but like the chances aren't good, especially in high heels what if it mashes up with is it cake?
Speaker 2:so you think that you're talking to a person, but it's actually a zombie, or you think it's a it looks like a zombie, but it's cake. It's cake. This is the show I need in my life. You can also email us at zombie book club podcast at gmailcom.
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Speaker 2:And if you are not yet bit, I hope you will be soon. Get bit, that's mean. I mean, I did call our listeners dirtbags earlier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they didn't forget. They're like. You know, I was offended, but I'm listening till the end to see if maybe she apologizes for it. Well, thanks for listening. Everybody Follow us on Instagram and threads. Everything's in the link tree in the description. It's. It's down there. A link tree is the thing you click on and it is. It's a list of all the things that we have, all of our social media, all of our things and the T-shirts. Yeah, all right Down there. Go check it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go hashtag alive, get outside. Yeah, get outside and listen to one of our old podcasts Fly a drone While you go for a walk. Yeah, fly a drone. Fly a kite. Get some binoculars. Look at some birds. Have a good day everybody, or good night.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Bite somebody else, yeah, bite your family. Family is important but not your dogs or cats.
Speaker 1:Don't bite your dogs Leave them alone, bye, bye.